. >> bret: this is a different president obama than in the debt ceiling negotiations. last time around. they are clearly signals that they have the stronger hand. and they are not -- it doesn't even seem like they are getting to a room. >> yeah. >> bret: to negotiate. >> they feel like they have the stronger hand because he won re-election an every pole shows most americans are fine with the tax rates going up on people making more than $250,000. so they feel like they have that on their side. what they also have on their side the president you can't forget did give in on this issue twice. in the last time he gave in on it he said never again. so that is what is hanging over him. he has his base looking at him saying you gave in on this two times. it's now time to live up to your word. so he is kind of boxed in, in a way politically as well that he has to give this. i agree with charles. you can get the money a different way. i don't think they are going to compromise on that. >> bret: is the base just looking for the scalp of the rates, instead of the money? >> yes. >